side stand

[iceman77]

I have a side stand that i'm modifing to fit my elite. just curious what you guys do about the back wheel spinning when you first start your bike. mine spins so fast that if it was on the ground my bike would take off.


thanks:
TJ

[Mystic]

turn down the idle

[iceman77]

turn down the idle

if i turn it down anymore than it doesn't run good. it only spins really fast till she warms up then it's good.



TJ

[Mystic]

move the needle clip 1 down then adjust the idle till the wheel starts to spin then turn back till it almost turns

[Dio89Elite]

i agree with mystic, your idle is too fast and needs to be adjusted.

[bakaracer]

if its doing after a cold start,thats normal. it will do it to if the bike sits and cools down.

[iceman77]

if its doing after a cold start,thats normal. it will do it to if the bike sits and cools down.

baka, you are correct. i didn't think the other two understood what i was saying.



TJ

[bakaracer]

if your planning on taking the center stand off and just use the sidestand, make sure you use the rear brake lock or just hold both brake levers so the bike doesnt roll away on the cold starts.

[Dio89Elite]

I would like to think that I understood the question. The problem is that the moped wants to start going right after start. The engine does start at a higher rpm when cold then should slow down when the engine gets to its normal operating temperature.
My first thought/ question was of a manual or electric choke, if it is working properly, etc. If the problem goes away after the engine warms up then that's alright, but that still doesn't solve his original problem of the moped/scooter trying to 'run away' right after starting.

Probable solutions that came to mind was:
start engine, with the brakes engaged, and either stand there (which feels more awkward) or just disengage the side stand and straddle the moped and still keep the brakes engaged. Depending on how hard your moped pulls, just the fact of the extra weight with you being on it will sometimes be enough to stop the forward movement.

If the problem does go away after the engine warms, then we just need to find out how to address the initial time frame before the engine warms up. Depending on your setup, your geographical location, and how you interpret your engine being sufficiently 'warmed up' are variables. This initial time shouldn't be more than just a few minutes at most.

IMO a properly tuned engine shouldn't have the back tire movement, not enough for it to move your moped off the kickstand but then again it's just my opinion. there's a lot of things that are subjective depending on perspectives and opinions. i was just trying to help by offering the best solution that i could find. it might fit for your application, it might not.

it's up to each individual to take each helping gem of wisdom to find how it applies to his/her own individual situation. all of us here are just trying to help, that is all. i'm looking for a side stand myself and wanted to see how this question would be answered...

bakaracer's last tidbit of a helpful suggestion is similar to my last tidbit (paragraph under probable solutions).
basically start, and hold on to the brakes until it warms up (but that still didn't fully solve the problem... which is why I had agreed with mystic with the retuning of your carb.

like many problems, there's more than one way to solve it, no one solution is best for everyone. See what works best for your particular situation.

[iceman77]

no i understood the question, and i realize that it is normal. The problem is that the moped wants to start going right after start.
My first thought/ question was of a manual or electric choke. If the problem goes away after the engine warms up then that's alright, but that still doesn't solve his original problem of the moped/scooter trying to 'run away' right after starting.

Probable solutions that came to mind was:
start engine, with the brakes engaged, and either stand there (which feels more awkward) or just disengage the side stand and straddle the moped and still keep the brakes engaged. Depending on how hard your moped pulls, just the fact of the extra weight with you being on it will sometimes be enough to stop the forward movement.

If the problem does go away after the engine warms, then we just need to find out how to address the initial time frame before the engine warms up. Depending on your setup, your geographical location, and how you interpret your engine being sufficiently 'warmed up' are variables. This initial time shouldn't be more than just a few minutes at most.

IMO a properly tuned engine shouldn't have the back tire movement, not enough for it to move your moped off the kickstand but then again it's just my opinion. there's a lot of things that are subjective depending on perspectives and opinions. i was just trying to help by offering the best solution that i could find. it might fit for your application, it might not.

it's up to each individual to take each helping gem of wisdom to find how it applies to his/her own individual situation. all of us here are just trying to help, that is all. i'm looking for a side stand myself and wanted to see how this question would be answered...

sorry, i didn't mean to come off like a * or anything like that. I appriciate the help that everyone on this forum gives. that's why i asked the question here. i knew i could find a solution to the problem w/ the board's help.

it takes about 3 to 4 min for the bike to warm up. after she's warm the back wheel doesn't trun anymore.



TJ

[Dio89Elite]

my apologies too, which is why I edited my original text.
we're all just trying to help, I just hope that we would find a solution that would work for you.

i just believed there was a better solution then just having to hold your brakes for 3-4 minutes. <the rolling eyes is for me>
imo we're conditioned to accept quick fixes (nothing really wrong with this)
but i really am a strong believer in fixing it right the first time
and starting it and having to hold your brakes is unacceptable for me
but then, this is me (because i think it sucks to have to do that when you shouldn't)
yes, i am particular about certain things.

you'll just have to figure out what is acceptable to you
and i hope with this helpful forum, we'll be able to provide you with enough solutions or ideas that would hopefully help you.

~L

[eliteguy50]

My honda has a brake lock on the bars. For yamaha, I use a velcro strap, like the kind used for keeping the extension cords organized. Make sure your grabber springs are not weak. You could also use a higher rpm set if you are worried about clutch wear with using the brake.

IMO, retuning the carb for cold starts is not an advisable option. How much time do you spend in low throttle situations verse warming up? How do you know (before seizing the engine) that you are not running too lean? ...

[bakaracer]

if guys are using stock clutch shoe springs, it doesnt take much more rpms to turn the tire. when its warming up,the rpms are around 2800 so not much engagement but its enough for the tire to spin when off the ground. for the guys that have 1k or more stiffer shoe springs, it doesnt do that. the warm up time will vari due to air temp. the colder it is the longer it will stay at a higher idle with the stock carb. aftermarket carbs its till the bowl fills up as fuel will evaporate out overnight.

[Dio89Elite]

i like the idea of a brake lock. a simple velcro strap could do it.
the higher rpm springs would be a better recourse than a carb retune.

One or both of these should solve your current situation.

[Mystic]

I guess since I dont have a centerstand I never had this problem. My stock motor doesnt rev up enough to start rolling on its own either even on a cold start