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IMHO, Without major body english a scooter is just not gonna do a true wheelie. Using your body which is 150 to 200+% of the scooter's weight to pull it up is not a wheelie. True wheelies happen when the engine torque pulls the front wheelie off the ground, I even had a car once that would do it even at 3200 pounds. Scoots in the 50cc class just don't have the low end torque to do that. A gymnastics wheelie is not a wheelie.
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When I was 14, I took a rented Suzuki (don't recall the engine size - maybe 100cc), and with Sis onboard, accidently popped the clutch-0-la.Bear45-70 wrote:IMHO, Scoots in the 50cc class just don't have the low end torque to do that.
WHAM! Down went Sis on her keester.
So yeah, I tend to agree, ya gotsta have the torquees ta do da wheelies.
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maybe sb50 has more power, but it does wheelie.
so your sayin this doesnt count?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h5oplNCtDo
so your sayin this doesnt count?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h5oplNCtDo
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Andreas Gustafsson is a god...
he started from the ground up and has now build himself a huge name in scooter stunting. A name so big that when he got his real licenses he got a Yamaha YZF R6-06 and stepped into the real stunt world with the real motorcycles. Not suprizingly he did amazing right from the start. He is now living his dream going show to show making money stunting.
What a life...
he started from the ground up and has now build himself a huge name in scooter stunting. A name so big that when he got his real licenses he got a Yamaha YZF R6-06 and stepped into the real stunt world with the real motorcycles. Not suprizingly he did amazing right from the start. He is now living his dream going show to show making money stunting.
What a life...
"Its not what you ride, its that you ride"
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1996--------Honda Elite S-
1991--------Tomos Targa-
And a Bunch of other bikes.
That's a stunt, not a true wheelie. Watch and he yanks the handle bars to pull the front end up. A true wheelie is sitting normally and not yanking on the bars to get the front end up. My quad will do real wheelies. You can even lean forward over the bars and it will come up in spite of it. That's a wheelie.scooterwerx wrote:maybe sb50 has more power, but it does wheelie.
so your sayin this doesnt count?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h5oplNCtDo
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You're making a fine (and maybe personal) distinction on that one. After all, the technique of lifting a front wheel on a pedal cycle is also called "wheelie".Bear45-70 wrote:That's a stunt, not a true wheelie.
Even on the bigger bikes there are clutch wheelies and power wheelies. The latter due to pure power and acceleration while the former all about compressing the rear suspension and popping a sudden increase in RPMs before releasing the clutch to get the lift. So would you call a "clutch wheelie" not a true wheelie?
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I could do small un-sustained wheelies on my 175 Lambretta which was a heavy SOB, but they had to be clutch wheelies.
On a 50cc scoot its all about leverage then balance. The more weight you can get to the rear, the less torque is required to pop the wheelie. If you watch people doing it on a typical 50cc they are sitting way back. I think that's one reason the Elite E is easier than the Spree - the design puts seating position further back over the fulcrum point.
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Back in the late 60s and early 70s, my race car would pull the front wheels off the ground with the slicks. That's a true wheelie. With street tires you could bonce them off the ground, that is not a wheelie. Top Fuel dragster and Funny cars have wheelie bars because hey can do real wheelies. But hey if you want to play BS games and call what a scooter does a wheelie, who the * am I to say you are wrong. Oh wait, in this country I get to have my opinion and I my say too, so "NOT A REAL WHEELIE!"Clivester wrote:You're making a fine (and maybe personal) distinction on that one. After all, the technique of lifting a front wheel on a pedal cycle is also called "wheelie".Bear45-70 wrote:That's a stunt, not a true wheelie.
Even on the bigger bikes there are clutch wheelies and power wheelies. The latter due to pure power and acceleration while the former all about compressing the rear suspension and popping a sudden increase in RPMs before releasing the clutch to get the lift. So would you call a "clutch wheelie" not a true wheelie?
I could do small un-sustained wheelies on my 175 Lambretta which was a heavy SOB, but they had to be clutch wheelies.
On a 50cc scoot its all about leverage then balance. The more weight you can get to the rear, the less torque is required to pop the wheelie. If you watch people doing it on a typical 50cc they are sitting way back. I think that's one reason the Elite E is easier than the Spree - the design puts seating position further back over the fulcrum point.
Clive.
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Yeah - this is a country of free speech!Bear45-70 wrote:Oh wait, in this country I get to have my opinion and I my say too, so "NOT A REAL WHEELIE!"
LETS VOTE ON IT!!!!!
Clive
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1989 Honda SB50
2007 iScooter 150cc
2006 Roketa 150cc
2006 TNG Venice 50cc
You realize voting on anything doesn't make the outcome right. America is famous for voting into office morons and crooks. So will this vote prove anything except there are deluded scooter riders out there, NOPE!Clivester wrote:Yeah - this is a country of free speech!Bear45-70 wrote:Oh wait, in this country I get to have my opinion and I my say too, so "NOT A REAL WHEELIE!"
LETS VOTE ON IT!!!!!
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