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[KingJeff801]

Two people that like to argue are arguing.... let them be.

....... who will win?

The trolls who enjoy the banter.

Good call....there is no right answer!!!!!!!!........right?

[Bear45-70]

The trolls who enjoy the banter.

You have no clue what a troll is.

[Bear45-70]

Good call....there is no right answer!!!!!!!!........right?

Yep, you would believe the the guy that knows nothing that is right . * he thinks Penzoil is good oil.

[KingJeff801]

Good call....there is no right answer!!!!!!!!........right?

Yep, you would believe the the guy that knows nothing that is right . * he thinks Penzoil is good oil.

Nope.! I just choose to believe what is tried and true and everything else.....maybe good input.......ya think?

I am not an old dog who can't learn new trick's( or an old bear for that reason) I am here to learn an not be ignorant to other peoples findings.....

[Bear45-70]

Good call....there is no right answer!!!!!!!!........right?

Yep, you would believe the the guy that knows nothing that is right . * he thinks Penzoil is good oil.

Nope.! I just choose to believe what is tried and true and everything else.....maybe good input.......ya think?

Tried and true???? Yeah, back 60 or more years ago every thing ran at 25 to 1. So your way of thinking we should still be doing that because it is tried and true. Yeah, there some real sharp thinkin' there alright.

[KingJeff801]

I am curious ....who did you pick on 60 years ago without the internet? did you stand on the corner and yell at the green lights when they turned red?....they haven't changed either

[Spreetard]

Good call....there is no right answer!!!!!!!!........right?

Yep, you would believe the the guy that knows nothing that is right . * he thinks Penzoil is good oil.

I don't like Penzoil. You just said that no manufacture suggested a TCW3 rated oil for air cooled two strokes. Which is a blunt lie. Links to companies saying the opposite of what you claim were provided.

So using big letters and yelling makes you right must be your theory. Penzoil is junk oil and if you use it you are asking for a failure. You claim others say it is OK but you provide no proof. Again your belief and Penzoil's crap oil and claim do not make it so. But keep yelling it and the stupid people will believe you. The ones with a brain will look at the charts I provided and see that you are full of s***.

I provided some links. You had two charts and 50 hours of schooling on old, non-synthetic oils.


I run Royal Purple, which exceeds the TCW3 rating. AMSOIL also makes good synthetics that will not make your engine blow up in a fiery ball of doom, yet still meet the emissions and lubricity standards required for TCW3 certification.

I never claimed that ALL TCW3 oils would work. Most are crap. Not the high-end synthetics.

[fastplastic]

You had two charts and 50 hours of schooling on old, non-synthetic oils.

I believe bear has a lot more experience with synthetic oils then you think if you look back on the posts i believe oil company's came to him with that stuff first came out when he was racing boats (bear correct me if im wrong)

[Bear45-70]

You had two charts and 50 hours of schooling on old, non-synthetic oils.

I believe bear has a lot more experience with synthetic oils then you think if you look back on the posts i believe oil company's came to him with that stuff first came out when he was racing boats (bear correct me if im wrong)

Actually synthetic oil was created in the early 1950s for jet engines. The heat in jet engine totally broken down the dino oil so fast that if the flight was over a couple of hours the engine could be ruined. So synthetic oil came to be, to allow longer flights. Then Amsoil came to be from that beginning. In the 80s Amsoil was pushing to have their 2 stroke oil to be accepted. They sponsored a buddy of mine's race boat. There were some expensive issues that were cured by using the same 18 to 1 to 24 to 1 ratios the dino oil was used at.

I myself used Mercury Marine's blended oil and their synthetic oil in my race motors. So Spreetard is wrong again. The 50 hours was just the oil stuff, I had over 500 hours of 2 stroke schools under my belt.

On his claim that TCW oil is junk, he obviously has no clue what it take to just get a NMMA TCW rating. The test is the actual running of a soeced test engine with the oil. You either past the rigorous test of your oil gets no certification. So junk is an inaccurate description. A TCW-II or 3 rating is even harder to get because the standard is higher than just a TCW rating.

[eliteguy50]

The trolls who enjoy the banter.

You have no clue what a troll is.

Really bear? It is called sarcasm.

[Bear45-70]

The trolls who enjoy the banter.

You have no clue what a troll is.

Really bear? It is called sarcasm.

You seem to be unaware that on the internet one has to take words at their face value unless the writer indicates that it is funny, a retort, sarcasm, etc. This is done by using the emoticons that are provided for you free of charge next to the message panel.

[eliteguy50]

Guess I just figured it was obvious enough. The King got it.

[z50r-ghost]

With that kind of experience, i would think it would be an accurate statement to say Bear knows what he's talking about here... It would prove beneficial to your engines to listen, dudes! j

[Spreetard]

He also keeps misquoting me because he's too good to even read my posts apparently. I never said half the s*** he claims I said. He tried to discredit me not by presenting any fact, but instead by ignoring everything I said and calling me an idiot, which I am not.

I never claimed to like penzoil, for one.

I myself used Mercury Marine's blended oil and their synthetic oil in my race motors. So Spreetard is wrong again. The 50 hours was just the oil stuff, I had over 500 hours of 2 stroke schools under my belt.

On his claim that TCW oil is junk, he obviously has no clue what it take to just get a NMMA TCW rating. The test is the actual running of a soeced test engine with the oil. You either past the rigorous test of your oil gets no certification. So junk is an inaccurate description. A TCW-II or 3 rating is even harder to get because the standard is higher than just a TCW rating.

And again, Bear puts words in my mouth. I never said that TCW3 was junk, you blind old fool. Learn to read.

I do know exactly how TCW ratings work, and provided a link so that others could educate themselves without your biased, antiquated opinion. But an oil that passes TCW3 testing may also pass a higher standard of testing. If that is beyond your crusty brain, at least stop misrepresenting my position.

Why would I call TCW3 junk, then turn around and put it in my engine? I run Royal Purple TCW3.

You have alot of experience, but your claim that a TCW3 rated oil WILL NOT WORK ON AN AIRCOOLED TWO STROKE IS BLUNTLY WRONG, AS IS YOUR CLAIM THAT NO COMPANY WOULD SUGGEST A TCW3 RATED OIL FOR AIR COOLED ENGINES. I did supply proof of that, which you ignored and took as me being a Penzoil lover. MORON, LEARN TO READ!

[kingkamehameha]

All hail the great bear master of everything two stroke. The best oil to run is castor 927 ftw.