That is a trick question. The right variator can accomplish more than the non-restricted pipe but if you don't get the non-restricted pipe, you wont be able to push the variator. So you have to get the pipe first in order to have enough power/RPM to take advantage of the variator.RIOT_S wrote:martynkim wrote:This is the pipe you need http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1986-HON ... ccessories
or a leo vince SP3 difficult to find. Worth the trouble to get though.
Ok, jetting aside, what accomplishes more: nonrestricted pipe OR variator and nonrestricted ramp plate?
Additionally, can I put in larger jet with the rest of it stock or do I need to do it coordinated?
87 Elite se50P derestrict bang for the buck?
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Re: 87 Elite se50P derestrict bang for the buck?
martynkim wrote:This is the pipe you need http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1986-HON ... ccessories
or a leo vince SP3 difficult to find. Worth the trouble to get though.
I have that pipe in good shape and ill beat that price by a few bucks... If your interested pm me
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Re: 87 Elite se50P derestrict bang for the buck?
red spree wrote:martynkim wrote:This is the pipe you need http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1986-HON ... ccessories
or a leo vince SP3 difficult to find. Worth the trouble to get though.
I have that pipe in good shape and ill beat that price by a few bucks... If your interested pm me
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Re: 87 Elite se50P derestrict bang for the buck?
So this ramp plate will work on my 87?:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1990-HON ... ccessories
I am thinking though at thatfinal price ($26 + $3 + $9 = $38) I should just go with a new variator through daywot or vt. Only issue there is Daywot is OUT of ramp plates and VT doesnt always have in stock...
thoughts?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1990-HON ... ccessories
I am thinking though at thatfinal price ($26 + $3 + $9 = $38) I should just go with a new variator through daywot or vt. Only issue there is Daywot is OUT of ramp plates and VT doesnt always have in stock...
thoughts?
Re: 87 Elite se50P derestrict bang for the buck?
I used the stock ramp with the keli pulley and it works fine. We never had any of those daytona or sef ramp plates back in the early to mid 90's and the bikes would see mid to high 50mph speeds. Just make sure you have the unrestricted ramp plate. I believe it has us2 stamped on it
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Re: 87 Elite se50P derestrict bang for the buck?
x2 for the Keli with a oem Honda non-restricted plate.bakaracer wrote:I used the stock ramp with the keli pulley and it works fine. We never had any of those daytona or sef ramp plates back in the early to mid 90's and the bikes would see mid to high 50mph speeds. Just make sure you have the unrestricted ramp plate. I believe it has us2 stamped on it
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Nice! Another cheap mod and will help a lot in all around power is milling the head .030 or buying a performance 50cc head which will increase compression and in return up the torque and help with getting a higher topspeed.
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Re: 87 Elite se50P derestrict bang for the buck?
Yo! I slapped the unrestricted exhaust on today (after painting it up nice) and went for a ride...32 MPH!!! That's a 5 mph increase! I was getting 27 but now 32! Sweet!
Also got my unrestricted ramp plate (Thanks Wheelman!) and ordered my Keli variator from Daywot today. 40 mph here I come!
One remaining question: Do I really need yo up-jet? According to specs on wiki my se50p, unless it's an Iowa model, should have the 85 jet in it...?
Also got my unrestricted ramp plate (Thanks Wheelman!) and ordered my Keli variator from Daywot today. 40 mph here I come!
One remaining question: Do I really need yo up-jet? According to specs on wiki my se50p, unless it's an Iowa model, should have the 85 jet in it...?
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Re: 87 Elite se50P derestrict bang for the buck?
Greetings:
There's no need to upjet unless you actually want your top end to survive.
Do it before you test top speed again.
There's no need to upjet unless you actually want your top end to survive.
Do it before you test top speed again.
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Re: 87 Elite se50P derestrict bang for the buck?
Noted, BUT... If it is at 85 already what should I upjet to? 90?Wheelman-111 wrote:Greetings:
There's no need to upjet unless you actually want your top end to survive.
Do it before you test top speed again.
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(FYI - went less than a mile on test, took it easy I hope
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Re: 87 Elite se50P derestrict bang for the buck?
If it's an 85 leave it.RIOT_S wrote:Noted, BUT... If it is at 85 already what should I upjet to? 90?
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Re: 87 Elite se50P derestrict bang for the buck?
I suppose the only way to really know is pull it out... But, and this is why I keep questioning, everything I read says the se50p has an #85 like the se50. It was only the se50p Iowa version that was lower at an #82....?evilone wrote:If it's an 85 leave it.RIOT_S wrote:Noted, BUT... If it is at 85 already what should I upjet to? 90?
I trust what the great Wheelman says, but if it's #85 I should be ok, right? If I do upjet, is the next #90?
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Re: 87 Elite se50P derestrict bang for the buck?
Yes. Start at #85 and check the plug. Only upjet if needed.RIOT_S wrote:but if it's 85 I should be ok, right?
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Greetings:
Sorry, didn't mean to worry you. I presumed the P-model had an undersized jet meant for restricted engine duty. For sure if stock's an 85, it ain't so bad. I was worried you went WOT with a 68. I should have checked the specs, sorry.
Sorry, didn't mean to worry you. I presumed the P-model had an undersized jet meant for restricted engine duty. For sure if stock's an 85, it ain't so bad. I was worried you went WOT with a 68. I should have checked the specs, sorry.
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