1st Spree - 1984 - Having a problem going WOT

Kenny_McCormic · Post by **Kenny_McCormic** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:03 pm

You want it leaned out from boggng rich just enough that it doesn't bog on the road.

xsh0rty · Post by **xsh0rty** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:15 pm

the bogging 100% stopped - bottom to top the power feels smooth and no hesitation, just wondering if i should see a little smoke while riding. IE restict a little more air.

Kenny_McCormic · Post by **Kenny_McCormic** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:42 pm

you want to lower air till it bogs then let up just enough so it quits. Smoke is based more on the oi lyou run than anything(Honda GN2 ONLY)

Clivester · Post by **Clivester** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:01 am

Pull the plug and do a color reading - that's your best way to deal with it and be sure.

I figured you'd be able to get it running with a filter - though wasn't sure it would run so well!

Clive.

CaptDan · Post by **CaptDan** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:59 am

noiseguy wrote:You need to replace the missing tube with a Honda part and put on a stock filter or clean the existing one. That will fix it.

I'll second that emotion.

After almost a month of owning my spree, cleaning the carb three times, replacing the bystarter, petcock, plug, etc etc, I'd been having a very similar problem as you have - WOT crapo-grande performance.

The air filter - if you could call it that - is a ragged foam catastrophe that looks like it was sat on by an elephant. It finally got dragged into the air intake, reducing airflow to practically nothing. When I adjusted the mess, the engine revved up to normal. I'd really underestimated this simple thing and just ordered a replacement. Cheap - $6.00 w/shipping.

Those air tubes are available from places like powersportspro.com.
That and a new air filter element will likely solve your problem.

CaptDan

xsh0rty · Post by **xsh0rty** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:21 pm

after using the scooter last night to run to the store (no problems what so ever) and i wake up today and try and start her and she wont start... just cranks.... i checked the plug its still giving out a blue spark... i drained the carb there was fuel in it... im cleaning the carb and letting it soak as we speak... im thinking it isnt getting fuel? so if i suck on my fuel vaccum line i should see fuel comming out the fuel line? does the ignition need to be turned on to see this?

xsh0rty · Post by **xsh0rty** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:38 pm

ok well i sucked on my vaccum line and fuel started comming out the fuel line so i dont think thats my problem........

next step compression test? or? .... sigh this stinks how can it just die like this overnight

Clivester · Post by **Clivester** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:39 pm

The petcock should work with vacuum applied to the vacuum line whether or not the ignition is on.

Can you start her with starter fluid sprayed into the carb?

Clive.

Bear45-70 · Post by **Bear45-70** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:23 pm

Clivester wrote:The petcock should work with vacuum applied to the vacuum line whether or not the ignition is on.

Can you start her with starter fluid sprayed into the carb?

Clive.

Starting fluid and reed valve, 2 strokes are a bad combo. If you get a situation where the fluid in the case fires, you can blow out your reeds valves. I've seen several cases of it.

xsh0rty · Post by **xsh0rty** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:42 pm

ok well after getting the carb back on and filled she started right up..... it was really weird... but now i have to try and re-tune it.... boo....

xsh0rty · Post by **xsh0rty** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:49 pm

how many turns out should my throttle stop screw be? service manual simply says adjust screw to 1800rpm - i dont have a tach to hook up, is there a gue-stimate?

CaptDan · Post by **CaptDan** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:38 pm

xsh0rty wrote:how many turns out should my throttle stop screw be? service manual simply says adjust screw to 1800rpm - i dont have a tach to hook up, is there a gue-stimate?

First, let the bike warm up - keeping your hand on the throttle if necessary. After about five minutes, with the bike idling on its own, turn in the throttle screw to a 'fast idle.'

How fast is that? About a notch less than half way between regular slow idle and when the back wheel just begins to turn as you throttle up on the kickstand. Listen to the pitch of the engine to get an idea where you're at.

I'm guessing that's about 1800. Or thereabouts.

CaptDan

xsh0rty · Post by **xsh0rty** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:02 pm

dang... i cant get it running how it was yesterday!

im back to when i go WOT it starts to bog out

and when the motor tries to rev down, the back wheel keeps turning, does that mean i have the idle way too high?

booo

xsh0rty · Post by **xsh0rty** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:21 am

will an 86 airbox fit on my 84? there are a couple on ebay right now, i want to fix this D:

Kenny_McCormic · Post by **Kenny_McCormic** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:14 am

All spree boxes fit all sprees.