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Re: 89 elite wont runn???
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:50 pm
by Wheelman-111
Greetings:
Sure-enough there's a spec and measurement in the FSM, but the PA carb float lacks the bendable metal tab that lets you adjust it. If it's out-of-spec, replacement is the only option. Occasionally it's assembly error. It is frightfully easy to get it wrong.
Usually the problem is in the float seat. Corrosion often prevents the rubber-coned needle from blocking fuel flow when indicated. The seat can be polished up using a partially-stripped cotton swab and some polishing compound - paste wax "cleaner", or even Colgate can work great.
If that fails, the needle itself is probably worn and needs to be replaced. Even if it looks perfect, it can not work properly. Honda and the aftermarket get about $15,000. per pound of float needles, but if that's what the carb needs, there's no substitute.
Re: 89 elite wont runn???
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:01 pm
by abreen89
well i measure the float and it seems to be just over 1/2 and the manuel say it should be at 12.2 mm (.46"). And when i tip the carb upside down and push on the float there is a fraction of hesitation in the needle. But remember im a
so i might be making a bigger deal of it then it is let me know what u think.
Re: 89 elite wont runn???
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:04 pm
by abreen89
Wheelman-111 wrote:Greetings:
Sure-enough there's a spec and measurement in the FSM, but the PA carb float lacks the bendable metal tab that lets you adjust it. If it's out-of-spec, replacement is the only option. Occasionally it's assembly error. It is frightfully easy to get it wrong.
Usually the problem is in the float seat. Corrosion often prevents the rubber-coned needle from blocking fuel flow when indicated. The seat can be polished up using a partially-stripped cotton swab and some polishing compound - paste wax "cleaner", or even Colgate can work great.
If that fails, the needle itself is probably worn and needs to be replaced. Even if it looks perfect, it can not work properly. Honda and the aftermarket get about $15,000. per pound of float needles, but if that's what the carb needs, there's no substitute.
i ahve an extra needle ( the thing that attaches to the bottom of the float right?) so ill try that one and ill pollish them up good can u send me a link to where i can buy one tho if i need too.
Re: 89 elite wont runn???
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:04 pm
by Mystic
are you sure the float isnt in upside down?
Re: 89 elite wont runn???
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:07 pm
by abreen89
Mystic wrote:are you sure the float isnt in upside down?
well the float has to be in right side up because the flaot pin attached to it pointy end down and it does attatch to it so.........
Re: 89 elite wont runn???
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:28 pm
by abreen89
Re: 89 elite wont runn???
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:29 pm
by abreen89
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Re: 89 elite wont runn???
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:36 pm
by eliteguy50
Yes, that is the proper way to assemble the float and needle.
Re: 89 elite wont runn???
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:38 pm
by abreen89
eliteguy50 wrote:Yes, that is the proper way to assemble the float and needle.
alright any other ideas on what the prob might be????
Re: 89 elite wont runn???
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:09 pm
by eliteguy50
First locate where the gas is leaking from. Is it from the carb overflow? Is it from the petcock and running down the side of the hose to the carb body? Is it leaking from the bowl as in a bad seal? Is there a crack in the hose or maybe the hose is not sealing around the nipple...
Re: 89 elite wont runn???
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:12 pm
by abreen89
eliteguy50 wrote:First locate where the gas is leaking from. Is it from the carb overflow? Is it from the petcock and running down the side of the hose to the carb body? Is it leaking from the bowl as in a bad seal? Is there a crack in the hose or maybe the hose is not sealing around the nipple...
caarb isnt leaking anymore the scooter just wont runnn
Re: 89 elite wont runn???
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:41 pm
by eliteguy50
Oh, so it is only running in 5 second intervals? Have you tried running it on a premix spray?
Re: 89 elite wont runn???
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:52 pm
by abreen89
eliteguy50 wrote:Oh, so it is only running in 5 second intervals? Have you tried running it on a premix spray?
well it was running for a few second but only when u put my hand over the air hole in the carb or shoot some starting fluid in it otherwise it wont start
Re: 89 elite wont runn???
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:02 pm
by Bear45-70
abreen89 wrote:eliteguy50 wrote:Oh, so it is only running in 5 second intervals? Have you tried running it on a premix spray?
well it was running for a few second but only when u put my hand over the air hole in the carb or shoot some starting fluid in it otherwise it wont start
No starting fluid in 2 strokes! It wipes the oil off everything and allows metal to metal contact. If you want to prime the engine, use a fuel and oil mix of 23 to 1.
Is the carb/intake isolator mounted properly? If upside down and/or backwards it leaks air causing a no start condition.
Re: 89 elite wont runn???
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:06 pm
by abreen89
Bear45-70 wrote:abreen89 wrote:eliteguy50 wrote:Oh, so it is only running in 5 second intervals? Have you tried running it on a premix spray?
well it was running for a few second but only when u put my hand over the air hole in the carb or shoot some starting fluid in it otherwise it wont start
No starting fluid in 2 strokes! It wipes the oil off everything and allows metal to metal contact. If you want to prime the engine, use a fuel and oil mix of 23 to 1.
Is the carb/intake isolator mounted properly? If upside down and/or backwards it leaks air causing a no start condition.
carb intake isolator gonna need more description remember bear im a