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spree tire size question

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:50 pm
by Shelton
the tires on my spree are 2.50 X 10 , i am looking for a set of whitewall tires to replace them with but the only whitewall that i have found is a 3.00 X 10 ... will that tire size fit on my spree without any modification ?

thanks in advance , Trae

i am in the process of building what i hope to be one bad * looking and running spree ... i am currently painting all of the plastic !!

Re: spree tire size question

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:12 pm
by odinxxix
some say they had to modify the fender and some say they didnt, its kinda in the air. best bet install and go from there.

Re: spree tire size question

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:40 pm
by Spreetard
odinxxix wrote:some say they had to modify the fender and some say they didnt, its kinda in the air. best bet install and go from there.
part of the problem is that each brand -dare i say each model from each brand- is a slightly different size than each other one that bears the same size markings. :*:

so the "put them on and see" method can quickly backfire when you can't return the tires you mounted only to find they did not fit. if they are too big, they can rub through the bottom of your airbox, resulting in dirt in your engine and needing a new airbox. :evil:

if you are willing to take one for the team, order em' up, try em' on, and fill us in :mrgreen:

Why Not Measure?

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:03 pm
by Wheelman-111
Greetings:

Before spending, measure what space you have. You need a half inch lengthwise, a quarter to each side. Timmy had 2.75s. Posts indicate that's the biggest that fit.

Re: spree tire size question

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:47 pm
by Shelton
thanks for all the responses ... maybe someone makes the whitewall tire in the 2.50 size ... i am new to the scooter modification world and i have not found all of the places to get parts ... anyone know where i might find the whitewall in the correct size ... like i said , i have only been able to find it in the 3.00

... also i am planning on NOT using the stock air box .. which brings me to my next question , where can i get a air filter that bolts directly to the carb ?

Re: spree tire size question

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:20 am
by Wheelman-111
Greetings:

You can use any 1" mouth filter, but you may encounter issues with filter-shock interference. UNI makes the Darling of the 2-stroke set. K&N makes an angled 1" caled (I think... :confused: ) the RU-100.

Whichever you choose, the other issue is that the Spree carb's pilot jet is cast-in and can't easily be altered. It's designed for a good bit of negative pressure from the small stock airbox openings upstream, so that a free-breathing Pod will make your idle-to-midrange transition balky if not impossible, and a considerably larger main jet may be required even if that can be overcome. Failure to compensate for the loss of intake resistance will most certainly result in too lean a mixture, and possible seizure. The engine, not you... :wink:

If you wish to pursue this, see your Honda Dealer and axt them to look in their UNI or K&N catalog. Both brands run around $20. Be sure to use solvent to clean the carb and the filter "donut" before you mount.

Re: Why Not Measure?

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:04 pm
by Spreetard
Wheelman-111 wrote:Greetings:

Before spending, measure what space you have. You need a half inch lengthwise, a quarter to each side. Timmy had 2.75s. Posts indicate that's the biggest that fit.
the biggest i've managed to cram under the airbox was an 80/90 bridgestone hoop. it rubbed a bit on the kickstand, but i took the centerstand off and had no further complications, save that i have to lean my spree up against things at all times. it was a bit bigger than the 2.75 residing under my spree currently.

Re: spree tire size question

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:39 pm
by LocoParaHonda
I have a related question, I'm working on an 86 Aero 50 and I got a set of nice 3x10 tires for free from a buddy. My service manual says 2.75x10, but I've heard people say a 3.00x10 will go on fine.

My question is, do I have to get a 3x10 tube also? or will a 2.75x10 work fine?

Re: spree tire size question

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:25 pm
by Wheelman-111
Greetings:

3.00 almost certainly will fit fine. 90/90 Pirelli SL26 is larger and also fits Aero & SE/05 blocks. Some have reported 3.50s fitting, in fact - although at least one Forumista stated he had to shave something - like the engine case!

Tire sizes are precise, even though a different brand might be a different size with the same nominal size. Tubes are Purt' Near. As in tubes come in a "range" size such as 2.50-3.00 x 10". A smaller tube will stretch into a larger tire size, within reason. A larger tube however might inflate with folds that will quickly wear and puncture. If you're going with 3.00s your 2.75 tube should have no issues.

YMMV

Re: spree tire size question

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:40 pm
by LocoParaHonda
Had a bit of trouble. It doesn't seem to fit right. I inflated it to just below the max PSI on the side of the tire (47) and after many deflates/reinflates its still rippled out farther on one side. Not sure why it's not fitting, several people have told me that it should. Again I'm using a 3.00x10 tire with the same tube that was in the previous tire ( a 2.75x10)
The service manual says 2.75x10, but there's tons of people telling me it should work anyways. Rim size is still the same so I don't know why it would'nt fit.

Here's what it looks like, though it's hard to see in the pic.


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Re: spree tire size question

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:42 pm
by odinxxix
like it was stated above though tire companys differ in size even though they say the same size. see i have a spree that has stock 2.50X10 tires. i put on 2.75X10 and im maxed for space. while others have put a 3.00X10 on theirs and had room. i didnt have that luxery in the kenda tires. so measure and do some research to see what the max size you can stuff in there and dont forget to inquire the exact tire size if you can.

Re: spree tire size question

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:00 pm
by LocoParaHonda
its not that the tires don't fit in the wheel well, they fit in the wheel well just fine.

It's just that when I inflate them on the rim, they get all womperjawed to one side and no amount of adjustment/deinflation/reinflation seems to make it straight. It's hard to see in the picture, but if you'll look closely, the line that goes around the circumference of the tire is way out on one side and close in on the other.

Re: spree tire size question

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:07 pm
by novs86
Take it off and try again.

If it still does the same thing try a different tire manufacture.

Re: spree tire size question

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:10 pm
by tw39515
i had 2 michilen 90/90 one did that and the other was just fine

Re: spree tire size question

Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:23 am
by Fishman43
LocoParaHonda wrote:Had a bit of trouble. It doesn't seem to fit right. I inflated it to just below the max PSI on the side of the tire (47) and after many deflates/reinflates its still rippled out farther on one side. Not sure why it's not fitting, several people have told me that it should. Again I'm using a 3.00x10 tire with the same tube that was in the previous tire ( a 2.75x10)
The service manual says 2.75x10, but there's tons of people telling me it should work anyways. Rim size is still the same so I don't know why it would'nt fit.

Here's what it looks like, though it's hard to see in the pic.


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It looks like the tire bead is not seating correctly. See how the rim has the kind of stair step out towards the edge, the goal is to get the bead set in that L. It is likely that you tire is tight for the bead seat, try a little soapy water on the edge between the tire and the rim with it deflated. Slowly inflate the tire to a workable squishyness, and pull/wiggle cajole the tire bead into place. Don't pry though, screw drivers are tough on these soft rims, and it would be a bummer to get your tire in place only to find out you poked a hole in your tube.