2 stroke oil thread
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2 stroke oil thread
mousewheels - this topic is moved to it's own thread. There's some good info, it's just over run the OP's thread.
bradthree -> Do me a favor and replace that blue crap with some Honda GN2....Please
bradthree -> Do me a favor and replace that blue crap with some Honda GN2....Please
Re: Gas/Oil Leaking Out of Reed Area
Yeah !
Always thinking bradthreee wrote:Do me a favor and replace that blue crap with some Honda GN2....Please
1989 Elite E with 86cc Dio
Rumia 50mm bore, mini-stroker, 28mm Oko, modified m-x pipe, Carbonfiber reinforced frame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKSvdjxvBUA
Rumia 50mm bore, mini-stroker, 28mm Oko, modified m-x pipe, Carbonfiber reinforced frame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKSvdjxvBUA
Re: Gas/Oil Leaking Out of Reed Area
hahahahaahahahahahahaahahahahahahaha! THE DREADED OIL DEBATE RAGES ON!!!elitedio wrote:Yeah !Always thinking bradthreee wrote:Do me a favor and replace that blue crap with some Honda GN2....Please
ROYAL PURPLE TCWIII
so who's gonna rep castor?
Ol' Red
1987 Spree, 42mph on 49cc (gps)
Broken...
Spreeio
1987 Spree
With af16e powah!!!!
77cc Malossi Ministroker, 24mm oKo, 30mm V8 pipe.
Chinabike 3000! GY6 clone daily driver/ beater machine bought for $75!
1987 Spree, 42mph on 49cc (gps)
Broken...
Spreeio
1987 Spree
With af16e powah!!!!
77cc Malossi Ministroker, 24mm oKo, 30mm V8 pipe.
Chinabike 3000! GY6 clone daily driver/ beater machine bought for $75!
Re: Gas/Oil Leaking Out of Reed Area
Wrong oil! TCW stands for "Two Cycle Water cooled" and is totally wrong for an air cooled two stroke. Water cooled engines run at about 140┬░ (at least that is what all the marine manufacturers run for a thermostat) and that is what the oil is made to operate at. Air cooled 2 strokes run hot, like 200┬░ to 250┬░ hot and your TCW oil won't protect there. You need an air cooled formulated oil.Spreetard wrote:hahahahaahahahahahahaahahahahahahaha! THE DREADED OIL DEBATE RAGES ON!!!elitedio wrote:Yeah !Always thinking bradthreee wrote:Do me a favor and replace that blue crap with some Honda GN2....Please
ROYAL PURPLE TCWIII
so who's gonna rep castor?
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'84 Aero 125 X 2
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'83 Aero 80 X 3
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'85 Aero 80
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2 stroke oil thread
That's so awesome. Did not know that Ya' learn something new every day.
Anywho, my 9000 mile spree has been sucking down Royal Purple full synthetic TCWIII for three years and 4500 miles, and unless the rings were replaced before i got it, they are origional. my jug still has beautiful cross-hatching.
Methinks the wrist pin needle bearings are getting a tad sloppy, resulting in my beloved "death rattle" the engine makes. i'll blame the oil for that.
reasearch http://www.7thgear.net/7thGear/Portals/ ... 0specs.pdf
or for those w/o adobe, a paraphasing;
"NMMA TC-W3 ÔÇô two cycle water-cooled, third generation. TC-W3 obsoletes TC-W & TC-WII. Oils with this spec do not use metal based additives, and are ashless. This is an outboard specific spec.
API TC ÔÇô only API spec established for two cycle engines. It regulates lubricity, detergency, ash content & pre-ignition. Oils with this spec are typically using metal based, ash producing additives.
JASO FA ÔÇô original spec established regulating lubricity, detergency, initial torque, exhaust smoke and exhaust system blocking.
JASO FB ÔÇô increased lubricity, detergency, exhaust smoke and exhaust system blocking requirements over FA.
JASO FC ÔÇô lubricity and initial torque requirements same as FB, however far higher detergency, exhaust smoke and exhaust system blocking requirements over FB.
JASO FD - same as FC with far higher detergency requirement.
ISO-L-EGB ÔÇô same tests and requirements as JASO FB.
ISO-L-EGC ÔÇô same tests and slightly higher detergency requirements (piston varnish) as JASO FC.
ISO-L-EGD ÔÇô same tests and requirements as JASO FD.
ÔÇó National Marine Manufacturers Association (NMMA) is based in the USA.
ÔÇó American Petroleum Institute (API) is based in the USA.
ÔÇó Japanese Automobile Standards Organization (JASO) is based in Japan.
ÔÇó International Standards Organization (ISO) is based in Europe."
Too bad that the API never gave any further ratings requirements for the U.S.
i bet gn2 is a JASO FD oil...
Quoth wise pdf file;"Most OEM 2 stroke oils fall in either the JASO FB/ISO-L-EGB (Good) or JASO FC/ISO-L-EGC/API TC (Better) category, although the container and the owners manual will never actually list an oil spec. OEMÔÇÖs prefer just to recommend their private label product and tell you there is no known equivalent. It is easy not to have a ÔÇ£knownÔÇØ equivalent if you do not look for one."
i also bet that Royal Purple exeeds the minumum requirement of the NMMA.and most of the other ratings.
though i cannot find which rating GN2 conforms to, the website selling it sayeth;
"Pro-HondaÔäó GN2 is the only oil that has been tested and approved by Honda R&D for use in all liquid- and air-cooled 2-stroke Honda motorcycles, scooters and ATVs, including the PilotÔäó and Odyssey.Ôäó Its unique clean-burning formula reduces exhaust smoke, carbon buildup and varnish deposits, and helps prevent spark-plug fouling, ring sticking and exhaust plugging. GN2's superior lubrication extends service life for piston rings and bearings, and helps protect against rust and corrosion."
Spiffy trick they got there, using the same oil for liquid and air cooled applications both. Honda-san bows before no rules or principals.
Anywho, my 9000 mile spree has been sucking down Royal Purple full synthetic TCWIII for three years and 4500 miles, and unless the rings were replaced before i got it, they are origional. my jug still has beautiful cross-hatching.
Methinks the wrist pin needle bearings are getting a tad sloppy, resulting in my beloved "death rattle" the engine makes. i'll blame the oil for that.
reasearch http://www.7thgear.net/7thGear/Portals/ ... 0specs.pdf
or for those w/o adobe, a paraphasing;
"NMMA TC-W3 ÔÇô two cycle water-cooled, third generation. TC-W3 obsoletes TC-W & TC-WII. Oils with this spec do not use metal based additives, and are ashless. This is an outboard specific spec.
API TC ÔÇô only API spec established for two cycle engines. It regulates lubricity, detergency, ash content & pre-ignition. Oils with this spec are typically using metal based, ash producing additives.
JASO FA ÔÇô original spec established regulating lubricity, detergency, initial torque, exhaust smoke and exhaust system blocking.
JASO FB ÔÇô increased lubricity, detergency, exhaust smoke and exhaust system blocking requirements over FA.
JASO FC ÔÇô lubricity and initial torque requirements same as FB, however far higher detergency, exhaust smoke and exhaust system blocking requirements over FB.
JASO FD - same as FC with far higher detergency requirement.
ISO-L-EGB ÔÇô same tests and requirements as JASO FB.
ISO-L-EGC ÔÇô same tests and slightly higher detergency requirements (piston varnish) as JASO FC.
ISO-L-EGD ÔÇô same tests and requirements as JASO FD.
ÔÇó National Marine Manufacturers Association (NMMA) is based in the USA.
ÔÇó American Petroleum Institute (API) is based in the USA.
ÔÇó Japanese Automobile Standards Organization (JASO) is based in Japan.
ÔÇó International Standards Organization (ISO) is based in Europe."
Too bad that the API never gave any further ratings requirements for the U.S.
i bet gn2 is a JASO FD oil...
Quoth wise pdf file;"Most OEM 2 stroke oils fall in either the JASO FB/ISO-L-EGB (Good) or JASO FC/ISO-L-EGC/API TC (Better) category, although the container and the owners manual will never actually list an oil spec. OEMÔÇÖs prefer just to recommend their private label product and tell you there is no known equivalent. It is easy not to have a ÔÇ£knownÔÇØ equivalent if you do not look for one."
i also bet that Royal Purple exeeds the minumum requirement of the NMMA.and most of the other ratings.
though i cannot find which rating GN2 conforms to, the website selling it sayeth;
"Pro-HondaÔäó GN2 is the only oil that has been tested and approved by Honda R&D for use in all liquid- and air-cooled 2-stroke Honda motorcycles, scooters and ATVs, including the PilotÔäó and Odyssey.Ôäó Its unique clean-burning formula reduces exhaust smoke, carbon buildup and varnish deposits, and helps prevent spark-plug fouling, ring sticking and exhaust plugging. GN2's superior lubrication extends service life for piston rings and bearings, and helps protect against rust and corrosion."
Spiffy trick they got there, using the same oil for liquid and air cooled applications both. Honda-san bows before no rules or principals.
Ol' Red
1987 Spree, 42mph on 49cc (gps)
Broken...
Spreeio
1987 Spree
With af16e powah!!!!
77cc Malossi Ministroker, 24mm oKo, 30mm V8 pipe.
Chinabike 3000! GY6 clone daily driver/ beater machine bought for $75!
1987 Spree, 42mph on 49cc (gps)
Broken...
Spreeio
1987 Spree
With af16e powah!!!!
77cc Malossi Ministroker, 24mm oKo, 30mm V8 pipe.
Chinabike 3000! GY6 clone daily driver/ beater machine bought for $75!
Re: Gas/Oil Leaking Out of Reed Area
The only thing that counts is "GN2 is the only oil that has been tested and approved by Honda R&D". It sounds like Honda refuses to test anyone else's oil. Which means their claim is toothless. If you only test one oil, you can only have, at the most, one oil that is approved.
Bear 45/70
'83 Aero 80 X 3
'84 Aero 80 X 3
'85 Aero 80
'84 Aero 125 X 2
'84 Aero 125
'84 Aero 125 X 2
'85 Aero 50
'85 Spree
'83 Aero 80 X 3
'84 Aero 80 X 3
'85 Aero 80
'84 Aero 125 X 2
'84 Aero 125
'84 Aero 125 X 2
'85 Aero 50
'85 Spree
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Re: 2 stroke oil thread
Klotz.. in just about everything i've ever owned that requires premix. Its gotta distinct smell.
Firewood sunday....aint nuttin like the smell of Klotz after a big hot cup of coffee and a fresh home rolled cig! lol
Firewood sunday....aint nuttin like the smell of Klotz after a big hot cup of coffee and a fresh home rolled cig! lol
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1981 HD-Ironhead Sporty. 1000cc, 4 speed, drag pipes, and drag bars.. (chic/cop magnet)
72 Rupp Roadster 2 (aka. RUMP ROASTER!!)
05 vinson
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Re: 2 stroke oil thread
castor 927 FTW!
Re: 2 stroke oil thread
Pre-mixed @ 32:1
2006 Sachs Madass
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- Stock 125cc undertail exhaust
2006 Xkeleton Trickster
- Lifan 90cc auto
- FTP 140cc Kit
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2006 Xkeleton Trickster
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Re: Gas/Oil Leaking Out of Reed Area
Me! Castor 927 32:1Spreetard wrote:so who's gonna rep castor?
2001 Honda Elite
1995 Yamaha Jog
1994 Yamaha Axis
I can't believe
that cop put me
in the backseat
when I clearly
called shotgun.
1995 Yamaha Jog
1994 Yamaha Axis
I can't believe
that cop put me
in the backseat
when I clearly
called shotgun.
Re: 2 stroke oil thread
Valvoline 2-Stroke Motorcycle Oil for me.
83 Honda Aero 80
Honda Aero80 and Aero50 parts for sale cheap.
http://www.hondaspree.net/phpBB3/viewto ... =2&t=15095
My Aero50 engine swap:
http://www.hondaspree.net/phpBB3/viewto ... 16&t=13021
Honda Aero80 and Aero50 parts for sale cheap.
http://www.hondaspree.net/phpBB3/viewto ... =2&t=15095
My Aero50 engine swap:
http://www.hondaspree.net/phpBB3/viewto ... 16&t=13021
Re: Gas/Oil Leaking Out of Reed Area
does any one know how much castor oil is in maxima 927?evilone wrote:Me! Castor 927 32:1Spreetard wrote:so who's gonna rep castor?
Re: 2 stroke oil thread
Good question, i run the maxima 927 but never questioned how much castor is in it. Maybe ask manufacturer.losthope wrote:does any one know how much castor oil is in maxima 927?
2001 Honda Elite
1995 Yamaha Jog
1994 Yamaha Axis
I can't believe
that cop put me
in the backseat
when I clearly
called shotgun.
1995 Yamaha Jog
1994 Yamaha Axis
I can't believe
that cop put me
in the backseat
when I clearly
called shotgun.