84 Spree - adding kick start gasket question
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84 Spree - adding kick start gasket question
Hi all,
Recently had some problems with my crankshaft and have been shopping new bottom ends to swap out. Got one from an 85 that is perfect. While looking I got a free one from an 86 but it is mostly trashed. I was able to salvage the left side cover, kickstart, and drive pulley however, with the thought of using it on the new bottom end so I'll have kick start.
I read the guide in the tech docs section and apparently I need the gasket - checked with Honda and discontinued.
Any pointers on how to acquire the gasket or any work-arounds?
Recently had some problems with my crankshaft and have been shopping new bottom ends to swap out. Got one from an 85 that is perfect. While looking I got a free one from an 86 but it is mostly trashed. I was able to salvage the left side cover, kickstart, and drive pulley however, with the thought of using it on the new bottom end so I'll have kick start.
I read the guide in the tech docs section and apparently I need the gasket - checked with Honda and discontinued.
Any pointers on how to acquire the gasket or any work-arounds?
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Re: 84 Spree - adding kick start gasket question
Greetings:
Autoparts stores sell gasket paper in sheets. Use your cover to trace a template, then get busy with those new sharp Fiskar scissors, X-Acto knife and maybe a paper punch. Alternatively, a collection of 1mm washers around each cover bolt will shim it out approximately the right amount to avoid pinch-binding the Bendix. A little rain must fall, but with the heat in the belt cavity it's seldom a problem unless you live in Seattle. Or ride in Deepinnaharta during hurricane season with 400,000 barrels of crude floating on the surface of the Gulf. And counting.
Autoparts stores sell gasket paper in sheets. Use your cover to trace a template, then get busy with those new sharp Fiskar scissors, X-Acto knife and maybe a paper punch. Alternatively, a collection of 1mm washers around each cover bolt will shim it out approximately the right amount to avoid pinch-binding the Bendix. A little rain must fall, but with the heat in the belt cavity it's seldom a problem unless you live in Seattle. Or ride in Deepinnaharta during hurricane season with 400,000 barrels of crude floating on the surface of the Gulf. And counting.
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Re: 84 Spree - adding kick start gasket question
Amazing - post question, get answer, have gasket in a few hours
$4.00 and the world's ugliest (yet functional) gasket is born - thanks again
$4.00 and the world's ugliest (yet functional) gasket is born - thanks again
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'74 CT90
Re: 84 Spree - adding kick start gasket question
that pic got me thinking I peeked under my side cover and don't have a gasket at all. So the dumb question would be is that gasket critical? Mine seems to be running fine and I don't ride in rain so do I still need to make one of those?
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Re: 84 Spree - adding kick start gasket question
The answer is maybe. On some scooters, without the gasket the starter shafts lack room and can get locked up.oldrock wrote:that pic got me thinking I peeked under my side cover and don't have a gasket at all. So the dumb question would be is that gasket critical? Mine seems to be running fine and I don't ride in rain so do I still need to make one of those?
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Re: 84 Spree - adding kick start gasket question
I just did the same conversion on my '85 and I didn't have a gasket. Everything was fine. I did buy a new bushing and clip though - and the spring since it was only $10 (all yet to be installed as everything's fine as is).
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Re: 84 Spree - adding kick start gasket question
Greetings:
Quoth Breaze:
Quoth Breaze:
Hey! That title belongs to ME! Evidently I never posted my attempt at carving a tranny-cover gasket. Even in Kindergarten, I never paid attention...$4.00 and the world's ugliest (yet functional) gasket (Emphasis added, Ed...) is born - thanks again
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Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
Re: 84 Spree - adding kick start gasket question
What part of "The answer is maybe" didn't you guys understand. It is known that on some scooters with different tolerances it is a problem.RZRob wrote:I just did the same conversion on my '85 and I didn't have a gasket. Everything was fine. I did buy a new bushing and clip though - and the spring since it was only $10 (all yet to be installed as everything's fine as is).
RZ Rob
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Re: 84 Spree - adding kick start gasket question
the gasket is not needed on our motors. It just keeps grease and grime out. I don't have the gasket on any of my motors
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Re: 84 Spree - adding kick start gasket question
Greetings:
About a year ago someone - maybe Captain Dan? - posted a starter problem he was having on a Spree. It turns out that on his specific scooter, running without a gasket was pinching the Bendix shaft so hard the starter couldn't turn over the engine. The Bendix shaft end clearance was so tight that the 0.2mm gasket thickness was needed on that engine. Slacking the cover bolts a half-turn solved the problem. A gasket was his permanent fix.
Perhaps in different model years or even certain serial number ranges - there is more than one mold you know - this isn't a problem. However if Honda-san ordained a gasket there may (or may not...) be a need for one.
About a year ago someone - maybe Captain Dan? - posted a starter problem he was having on a Spree. It turns out that on his specific scooter, running without a gasket was pinching the Bendix shaft so hard the starter couldn't turn over the engine. The Bendix shaft end clearance was so tight that the 0.2mm gasket thickness was needed on that engine. Slacking the cover bolts a half-turn solved the problem. A gasket was his permanent fix.
Perhaps in different model years or even certain serial number ranges - there is more than one mold you know - this isn't a problem. However if Honda-san ordained a gasket there may (or may not...) be a need for one.
Wheelman-111
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH