Heli coil or retap?

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Heli coil or retap?

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Ran into a small snag. The previous owner of my motor stripped the threads out of one of the gear cover bolt holes. Is it better to retap or heli coil a new tread in?
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I'd heli-coil.
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Aluminum threads when in contact with a steel screw threads always loose, even when you retap them. Heli-coils makes the threads steel to steel.
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Don't recommend heli coil!!!
Retap next size ,or timesert.
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veedubh20 wrote:Don't recommend heli coil!!!
Retap next size ,or timesert.
Why would you say that?

Volvo Marine uses heli-coils in all their aluminum castings brand new equipment from the factory.
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I'm saying! Time sert!

Do your research!

http://www.timesert.com/html/install.html#1
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veedubh20 wrote:I'm saying! Time sert!

Do your research!
I don't have to research nothing. I personally have installed hundreds if not thousands of heli-coils and it is not brain surgery. In fact none of them are.
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My machine guy does time serts for 20 bucks a hole. I forgot about those
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Timeserts or helicoil. Its all the same s***. Just dont retap up and call it good.
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Time sert hold bolt on moving parts better .

Helicoil don't hold up well.
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Majourlittle wrote:Timeserts or helicoil. Its all the same s***. Just dont retap up and call it good.
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veedubh20 wrote:Time sert hold bolt on moving parts better .

Helicoil don't hold up well.
Never, ever had a properly instaled heli-coil come out or the bolt screwed into it.
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I agree with the bear heli coils ard great in alloy if installed correctley

I to have never had one come out there are some on my go kart that hav been there holding on for about 5 years
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veedubh20 wrote:Time sert hold bolt on moving parts better .

Helicoil don't hold up well.
The gear cover is a moving part?
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Re: Heli coil or retap?

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Got a time sert put in. The machine guy who i take my stuff to wont even put heli coils in. He only does time serts
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