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1987 Honda Spree idles then dies, difficult restart

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 7:56 pm
by HondaIntermediate
I got a good deal on this barn-find and I’m working to restore it. It will start right up, maybe idle for 2 minutes or so, then slowly sputter out. Once it dies, it is difficult to get it to start back up again. If I get it on the road, it will die when I decelerate (at stop sign or turning corner).

I have put so much work into this, what else can I try?

Here’s what I’ve done: New battery, new spark plug, new air filter (oiled correctly), air box is closed although it is missing the rubber lid gasket (how important is this for the air mix?), brand new carb x2 + bystarter, new fuel and vacuum lines, new petcock, new in-line filter, new in-tank filter, gas tank cleaned completely out, muffler cleaned completely out.

It seems like a fuel/air issue the way it dies after idling and on decel. Any thoughts?

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Re: 1987 Honda Spree idles then dies, difficult restart

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:23 pm
by Meatball
Ditch the new carb and rebuild the OEM one. Most replacement carbs that “fit spree” are absolute junk. The airbox gasket might be a small contributor since the box is designed/engineered to flow a certain cfm. My spree ran like garbage with some tiny holes drilled in the lid from a previous owner. Ran better with duct tape over them.

Re: 1987 Honda Spree idles then dies, difficult restart

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:37 am
by HondaIntermediate
What all will I need to rebuild the OEM? Can I just clean the carb and jets or do I need to replace all gaskets etc..

Re: 1987 Honda Spree idles then dies, difficult restart

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:40 am
by HondaIntermediate
Meatball wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:23 pm Ditch the new carb and rebuild the OEM one. Most replacement carbs that “fit spree” are absolute junk. The airbox gasket might be a small contributor since the box is designed/engineered to flow a certain cfm. My spree ran like garbage with some tiny holes drilled in the lid from a previous owner. Ran better with duct tape over them.
I've tried 3 different brand new carbs, I highly doubt the carburetor is the issue. The likelihood of all three being bad is extremely low. What other suggestions do you have?

Re: 1987 Honda Spree idles then dies, difficult restart

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 7:43 pm
by motormike
You didn't mention petcock.
Your issue is probably slow fuel delivery.
Petcock can be the culprit.
Try taking vacuum hose off at the carb and sucking on it to see if fuel is flowing strongly or not.
Also, try this...run it until it dies, then open the drain screw on the float bowl to see if any fuel is in there.

Re: 1987 Honda Spree idles then dies, difficult restart

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:21 pm
by HondaIntermediate
Petcock was replaced as stated in OP. I have an inline fuel filter and can see fuel flowing well.

Re: 1987 Honda Spree idles then dies, difficult restart

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:59 pm
by Meatball
HondaIntermediate wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:37 am What all will I need to rebuild the OEM? Can I just clean the carb and jets or do I need to replace all gaskets etc..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/361929010182?h ... R4aTuc31Yg

For $20 its worth a shot. Much more sound decision than a $20 china carb with casting flaws and loose manufacturing tolerances. If it doesnt fix your issue, you’ve just eliminated a possibility and now have a rebuilt oem carb that will give you years of reliability.

Re: 1987 Honda Spree idles then dies, difficult restart

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:34 pm
by motormike
HondaIntermediate wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:21 pm Petcock was replaced as stated in OP. I have an inline fuel filter and can see fuel flowing well.
Sorry, I missed that...motor