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it does work very basic, anything that expends heat by 5 degrees is better than nothing
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Re: trans cooler
Thanks for posting, but no one really cares what you have to saymaddog wrote:it does work very basic, anything that expends heat by 5 degrees is better than nothing
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Re: trans cooler
wiguy05 wrote:Thanks for posting, but no one really cares what you have to saymaddog wrote:it does work very basic, anything that expends heat by 5 degrees is better than nothing
Actually, you're wrong, i do.
What does it look like, and how does it work maddog?
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Noob, search his old posts. He has done things like this before and you're about to fall right into his game. He will not disclose his "magic trans cooler" to anyone in hopes that it will continue to grow his e-*.toboggan wrote:Actually, you're wrong, i do.wiguy05 wrote: Thanks for posting, but no one really cares what you have to say
What does it look like, and how does it work maddog?
If heat is really an issue, figure out what is causing it and correct the problem. Synthetic lubricant also is a good idea.
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- Lifan 90cc auto
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- Stock 125cc undertail exhaust
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- Lifan 90cc auto
Re: trans cooler
NOOB
He's probably been here wayy longer then i have. Therefore i don't know of all of his other posts such as this, when i've seen him post, i've never seen anything that he didn't reveal, so no posts i've seen would have grown his qoute on qoute "E-*"
And theres no need to saying * like "Noone really cares what you have to say" It's not that necessary at all. Keep your mouth shut for christ's sake!
He's probably been here wayy longer then i have. Therefore i don't know of all of his other posts such as this, when i've seen him post, i've never seen anything that he didn't reveal, so no posts i've seen would have grown his qoute on qoute "E-*"
And theres no need to saying * like "Noone really cares what you have to say" It's not that necessary at all. Keep your mouth shut for christ's sake!
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Re: trans cooler
warning to both, cut it out please
I'd like to see where maddog goes with this
I'd like to see where maddog goes with this
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Re: trans cooler
hmmm, is it some sort of heat sink bonded to the case? air duct? swiss cheese cvt cover?
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I got it !!!He's using it to cool down his room temp beer....I mean sodas.Carp
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Re: trans cooler
Sounds like a gimmick to me. I'm willing to bet more power can be obtained by tuning the bike correctly through the carb, manifold, reeds, ports and trans. No bike is tuned 100% perfectly, only with experience can you get close to that at any one time.
Cooling the fuel may have some results but the problem is there's not enough of it to make a difference. Remember that theoretically an engine should run ideally at stochiometric 14.7 air to 1 fuel. For a moped full power is best obtained between 12:1 to about 12.5:1. You'd get more results from ingesting cooler air than cooler fuel. Back in the dark ages I know of a few racers that claimed refrigerated fuel could make extra power but it was never proven on any dyno test. Fuel has to atomize in order to burn completely, if fuel resists atomization you lose power due to an incomplete burn.
A customer of mine wanted me to sell his product many years ago that was called by a different name (I can't remember) and he was probably thinking he was talking to someone who didn't understand engines. Even if the fuel was more cold or dense in volume, without a corresponding increase in air volume the engine would simply run more rich as the fuel temp does NOT compress the air volume. It's easier to increase fuel volume than air volume without machine porting, decreases in the air volume (air screw adjustments) and such.
Cooling the fuel may have some results but the problem is there's not enough of it to make a difference. Remember that theoretically an engine should run ideally at stochiometric 14.7 air to 1 fuel. For a moped full power is best obtained between 12:1 to about 12.5:1. You'd get more results from ingesting cooler air than cooler fuel. Back in the dark ages I know of a few racers that claimed refrigerated fuel could make extra power but it was never proven on any dyno test. Fuel has to atomize in order to burn completely, if fuel resists atomization you lose power due to an incomplete burn.
A customer of mine wanted me to sell his product many years ago that was called by a different name (I can't remember) and he was probably thinking he was talking to someone who didn't understand engines. Even if the fuel was more cold or dense in volume, without a corresponding increase in air volume the engine would simply run more rich as the fuel temp does NOT compress the air volume. It's easier to increase fuel volume than air volume without machine porting, decreases in the air volume (air screw adjustments) and such.
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Re: trans cooler
Arnadanoob wrote:Sounds like a gimmick to me. I'm willing to bet more power can be obtained by tuning the bike correctly through the carb, manifold, reeds, ports and trans. No bike is tuned 100% perfectly, only with experience can you get close to that at any one time.
Cooling the fuel may have some results but the problem is there's not enough of it to make a difference. Remember that theoretically an engine should run ideally at stochiometric 14.7 air to 1 fuel. For a moped full power is best obtained between 12:1 to about 12.5:1. You'd get more results from ingesting cooler air than cooler fuel. Back in the dark ages I know of a few racers that claimed refrigerated fuel could make extra power but it was never proven on any dyno test. Fuel has to atomize in order to burn completely, if fuel resists atomization you lose power due to an incomplete burn.
A customer of mine wanted me to sell his product many years ago that was called by a different name (I can't remember) and he was probably thinking he was talking to someone who didn't understand engines. Even if the fuel was more cold or dense in volume, without a corresponding increase in air volume the engine would simply run more rich as the fuel temp does NOT compress the air volume. It's easier to increase fuel volume than air volume without machine porting, decreases in the air volume (air screw adjustments) and such.
The only time I ever saw a cool can (AKA, a copper fuel line coil inside a can filled with ice to cool the fuel) was when drag racing in 100+┬░ weather. It actually got back a fouth of the 10th of a second the hot weather robbed the car of. Below 60┬░ it was a a loser as it made the car slower. I agree with the lowering the inlet air temp being more important that cooling the fuel.
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Re: trans cooler
burnt_toast wrote:BEAR COMES OUT OF HIBERNATION
I actually have a life that can go without a scooter for months at a time, unlike some others.
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Re: trans cooler
You lie...Bear45-70 wrote:burnt_toast wrote:BEAR COMES OUT OF HIBERNATION
I actually have a life that can go without a scooter for months at a time, unlike some others.
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Re: trans cooler
Wow talk about a blast from the past. I recall seeing something like that and didn't know what it was in someone's home shop that had some really old race cars buried under a lot of storage boxes.Bear45-70 wrote:Arnadanoob wrote:Sounds like a gimmick to me. I'm willing to bet more power can be obtained by tuning the bike correctly through the carb, manifold, reeds, ports and trans. No bike is tuned 100% perfectly, only with experience can you get close to that at any one time.
Cooling the fuel may have some results but the problem is there's not enough of it to make a difference. Remember that theoretically an engine should run ideally at stochiometric 14.7 air to 1 fuel. For a moped full power is best obtained between 12:1 to about 12.5:1. You'd get more results from ingesting cooler air than cooler fuel. Back in the dark ages I know of a few racers that claimed refrigerated fuel could make extra power but it was never proven on any dyno test. Fuel has to atomize in order to burn completely, if fuel resists atomization you lose power due to an incomplete burn.
A customer of mine wanted me to sell his product many years ago that was called by a different name (I can't remember) and he was probably thinking he was talking to someone who didn't understand engines. Even if the fuel was more cold or dense in volume, without a corresponding increase in air volume the engine would simply run more rich as the fuel temp does NOT compress the air volume. It's easier to increase fuel volume than air volume without machine porting, decreases in the air volume (air screw adjustments) and such.
The only time I ever saw a cool can (AKA, a copper fuel line coil inside a can filled with ice to cool the fuel) was when drag racing in 100+┬░ weather. It actually got back a fouth of the 10th of a second the hot weather robbed the car of. Below 60┬░ it was a a loser as it made the car slower. I agree with the lowering the inlet air temp being more important that cooling the fuel.
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