Sidecar Bonneville Land Speed Elite 50 build
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Re: Sidecar Bonneville Land Speed Elite 50 build
Dude that is so slick!
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Re: Sidecar Bonneville Land Speed Elite 50 build
This is way too cool . Thanks for posting rev
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spreedio video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZr46_-douQ
94 elite SR, 86 spreedio, polini corsa, keli variator, 8.4, jet. speed 65 mph
spreedio video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZr46_-douQ
Re: Sidecar Bonneville Land Speed Elite 50 build
That is sweet, should of built it into one of those eletric razer scooter.
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Re: Sidecar Bonneville Land Speed Elite 50 build
I am thinking that my pipe is still holding me back a bunch - so we will see how the super-duper Graphite9 pipe is
Testing this weekend...
Testing this weekend...
Re: Sidecar Bonneville Land Speed Elite 50 build
Please let us know how it performs. that's the new polini right?Revolutionary wrote:I am thinking that my pipe is still holding me back a bunch - so we will see how the super-duper Graphite9 pipe is
Testing this weekend...
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94 elite SR, 86 spreedio, polini corsa, keli variator, 8.4, jet. speed 65 mph
spreedio video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZr46_-douQ
94 elite SR, 86 spreedio, polini corsa, keli variator, 8.4, jet. speed 65 mph
spreedio video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZr46_-douQ
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Re: Sidecar Bonneville Land Speed Elite 50 build
Got the new Polini pipe in last night and put it on. Just buzzed around the block but it feels good. I made some long runs tomorrow and see how it fares.
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Re: Sidecar Bonneville Land Speed Elite 50 build
Greetings:
Congrats on the Polini Pipe! It's a good idea to pay attention to your RPMs, temperature and plug color right now. The engine's jetting needs have almost certainly changed.
Congrats on the Polini Pipe! It's a good idea to pay attention to your RPMs, temperature and plug color right now. The engine's jetting needs have almost certainly changed.
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Re: Sidecar Bonneville Land Speed Elite 50 build
The new pipe picked up but it a bit strange on jetting.
Using the same 98 jets it ran previously 54 (57.9 with fairing), it ran 57.4 so a quick gain already, and it was very responsive. This is with the 21mm OKO. I put in a 102 jet and it acted very rich before hitting the power band, 4 stroking, but when it hit, it picked up and ran 57.9. I put in a 105, the pre-power band got much worse and almost wouldn't get on the pipe, but when it hit, it bumped up and ran 58.4. With the fairing that should be 62-63. So, it acts like it wants more jet, but has trouble getting on the pipe when I give it jet.
As a note, the clutch is engaging about 5200 and then peaking about 9400 before the CVT pulls it down. It runs top speed about 8800.
I tried to part throttle it and see if I could get it on the pipe before going past 3/4 throttle and getting into the main jet, but it didn't have enough power to get up there. What is your best advice? Lower the needle or try a bigger one? Or???
Using the same 98 jets it ran previously 54 (57.9 with fairing), it ran 57.4 so a quick gain already, and it was very responsive. This is with the 21mm OKO. I put in a 102 jet and it acted very rich before hitting the power band, 4 stroking, but when it hit, it picked up and ran 57.9. I put in a 105, the pre-power band got much worse and almost wouldn't get on the pipe, but when it hit, it bumped up and ran 58.4. With the fairing that should be 62-63. So, it acts like it wants more jet, but has trouble getting on the pipe when I give it jet.
As a note, the clutch is engaging about 5200 and then peaking about 9400 before the CVT pulls it down. It runs top speed about 8800.
I tried to part throttle it and see if I could get it on the pipe before going past 3/4 throttle and getting into the main jet, but it didn't have enough power to get up there. What is your best advice? Lower the needle or try a bigger one? Or???
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Re: Sidecar Bonneville Land Speed Elite 50 build
Greetings:
Lower OR thicker needle should achieve similar midrange power improvement.
Lower OR thicker needle should achieve similar midrange power improvement.
Wheelman-111
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
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Re: Sidecar Bonneville Land Speed Elite 50 build
How exactly do you Tune that Carb with a Turbo ? What is max boost you can Squeeze out of it ?
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Re: Sidecar Bonneville Land Speed Elite 50 build
I set the turbo up as a draw through system. I didn't want to deal with pressurizing the carb and figuring out one more thing. It runs only about 2 psi boost right now getting it figured out.
Re: Sidecar Bonneville Land Speed Elite 50 build
Hi HP. Is it possible the turbo it sucking the fuel out of the cylinder and pipe?
Mr Wheelman gives great advice. I would lower or raise the needle before I would make any other changes.
I would also compare the RPM's with and without the turbo.
Mr Wheelman gives great advice. I would lower or raise the needle before I would make any other changes.
I would also compare the RPM's with and without the turbo.
Life's a trip enjoy the ride.
94 elite SR, 86 spreedio, polini corsa, keli variator, 8.4, jet. speed 65 mph
spreedio video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZr46_-douQ
94 elite SR, 86 spreedio, polini corsa, keli variator, 8.4, jet. speed 65 mph
spreedio video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZr46_-douQ
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Re: Sidecar Bonneville Land Speed Elite 50 build
As a note, the numbers I am dealing with right now are without the turbo attached. I want to get this pipe tuning sorted before putting on the turbo with it. I can run it either with or without and it only takes about 15 minutes to swap.
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Re: Sidecar Bonneville Land Speed Elite 50 build
Greetings:
Methinks your jetting will need to be a TON richer once you begin compressing the intake charge air. At the end of the air-cooled era, Kawasaki's 750 Turbo used 4 carburetors. The thing was reportedly a challenge to tune. Imagine that! Yamaha and Suzuki had Turbo bikes too. Turbo Lag was an issue. Honda's idea was to turbocharge the liquid-cooled v-twin from the slow-selling 500, then 650. Again, without computers controlling the mixture, there wasn't much upside in power for all the trouble it took.
Methinks your jetting will need to be a TON richer once you begin compressing the intake charge air. At the end of the air-cooled era, Kawasaki's 750 Turbo used 4 carburetors. The thing was reportedly a challenge to tune. Imagine that! Yamaha and Suzuki had Turbo bikes too. Turbo Lag was an issue. Honda's idea was to turbocharge the liquid-cooled v-twin from the slow-selling 500, then 650. Again, without computers controlling the mixture, there wasn't much upside in power for all the trouble it took.
Wheelman-111
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
Most of my money is spent on scooterparts. The rest is just wasted.
"ISO": '03 Vespa ET4 Malossi187 74MPH
Flash 9: 2001 Elite SR Contesta 72 ZX Tran, 9:1 Gears, Stock Airbox/Carb/Pipe 58.8 MPH
Punkin: 2010 Vespa/Malossi S78, 61MPH
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Re: Sidecar Bonneville Land Speed Elite 50 build
Wheel - I believe you are right. I just need to get enough midrange power to get up on the pipe so I can then go full throttle